boingboing is slashdot except it's for people who want to read a bunch of shrill consumerist dot-com-bubble throwback bullshit that fancies itself cagey counterculture punk commentary instead of linux arguments and also it's several million times worse
cory doctorow is the worst because he is like STEAMPUNK SHITSTEAMPUNK SHITAWWWWWFUL FUCKING OVER-EARNEST SELF-CONSCIOUS "SOCIAL COMMENTARY" NOVELLA THAT I WROTESTEAMPUNK SHITBUILD YOUR OWN IPHONE OUT OF THINKGEEK T-SHIRTSSTEAMPUNK 2.0 CROWDSOURCING MASHUPS? COUNTERCULTURE REVOLUTIONARY SAYS "YES"PLUGGING THAT "BOOK" I WROTE AGAINSHIT WITH BLUE LEDS IN IT BUILT BY CHILD LABORERS, ONLY $800HAVE YOU READ MY BOOK YET
also he is at the forefront of crafting the blithely ignorant, self-contradicting, and intellectually dishonest set of ideals that 90% of the "geek" cult-of-personality crowd subscribes to
i hate it when cory doctorow gets interested in something i like (e.g. cryptography) because it is exactly like watching a child's earnest, comically faulty and exaggerated imitation of observed adult behavior, but he's a grown-ass man who communicates like a precocious child so it's extremely irritating. and now half of the "[x thing that cory doctorow started blithering unintelligently about] community" is full of poseurs who are earnestly imitating HIM. it is like fashion but with pseudointellectualism instead of personal appearance
and really, i don't think you're anything like him, i mean being a geek and liking shiny stuff is a far cry from thinking you're at the forefront of a subversive underground revolutionary movement because you bought an iphone
also cory doctorow is liberal in exactly the wrong ways
Who the fuck thinks buying an iPhone is subversive, really? It's a nice gadget and pretty much my favourite PDA ever*. But seriously, it's a mass consumer item made by a control freak company.
*Although I have an iPod Touch because the phone bit is so not worth another $1800 in TCO.
Well, think of it this way: Cory Doctorow is the exact sort of person that Apple marketing is supposed to appeal to. By buying an Apple product, you are somehow sticking it to the man/bucking the system/fighting the establishment, because Apple have done a very good job of branding themselves as The Alternative, and that appeals to a certain contrarian mindset.
Unfortunately, Cory Doctorow buys into the fantasy he's been sold so much that he just can't shut up about how edgy he is for buying basically the hottest Christmas item of the year.
Yeah the sychophantic userbase is why I'm rather hesistant about actually getting a computer with OSX on it (even though it appears to be a kind of UNIX with a multimedia framework that isn't made by complete idiots).
When MS pull a dick move, people get out the torches and pitchforks. When Apple pulls a dick move, people like Cory are falling over themselves to rationalise it as Steve Jobs latest stab at genius. And the press certainly aren't going to hold them accountable, as Apple are a perennial media darling.
This reminds me a lot of the idea of Narrative Branding that George Lakoff talked about in his most recent book, The Political Mind. You should check it out if you haven't already, I think you'd like it very much, although I suspect you might've already considered most of what he talks about.
I haven't read that but Little Brother is the worst thing masquerading as a novel that I have read in a very long while.
I should take advantage of the licensing terms of his writings to write MST3K-style critiques of them. i hear this one time someone did something like that and he immediately changed his tune and tried to force them to take it down
unfortunately there is no "unless they're being totally mean" in the text of the creative commons license
Haa! :) You totally should do that. And if he does change his tune, we shall all mock him soundly across internets.
Now, let me give context here. I don't read his blog (and that sounds like that's a good thing, from these comments). I only read two novels of his -- Eastern Standard Tribe, and Someone Comes Town etc.
EST was merely ok. Utterly forgettable plot-wise and writing-wise, but it had some interesting concepts, so, ok. Someone Comes To Town, however.. this one surprised me. I liked it a lot, and I keep thinking about it (it's been a month or two since I finished it), often. It affected me.
What's even stranger, is that I raved to yuki_onna about it, and she read and even /she/ liked it (and she is incredibly demanding of her books).
So, I don't know. It might have been atypical of him, that one. I'm still going to read Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom, again, for the concept.
according to cory doctorow virtually every single event that has taken place in the course of human history has been "censorship" and is something to be incensed about
steampunk as an aesthetic and a fun little fantasy world to play around with is cool as fuck and there is nothing wrong with it! I like that it is built around an enthusiasm for human ingenuity and for engineering as an art form
but then you get the people who talk about it all. the. time. which is what cory doctorow does. it's not that it's steampunk, it's that he doesn't know when to clam up about it.
what's terrible, though, the people who take steampunk too far and turn it into a whole philosophy of life i.e. "hey colonialist/Victorian social mores were cool and NOT HORRIBLE AT ALL! let's bring them back. libertarianism and gilded-age labor practices for all"
steampunk isn't really special/worse in this regard, though — every subculture has a lot of people in it who take it way too seriously
it is kind of like cyberpunk, which emerged from the cold war and was originally "supposed" to be like a caricature of a terrible dystopian dehumanized future, but then people decided that this dystopian future would be a pretty rad place to live
zeppelins are awesome, and, to paraphrase something i read recently, are an important part of any respectable alternate universe
"hey colonialist/Victorian social mores were cool and NOT HORRIBLE AT ALL!"
that's just fucking scary. Because, you know, I'd rather not wear a chastity belt and live in a culture where it's okay for your dad to marry you off at age eight to old Mr. Tilwinnikerson the sadistic horse breeder.
zeppelins are awesome, and, to paraphrase something i read recently, are an important part of any respectable alternate universe
oh and on that little note about cyberpunk: I do remember reading something to that effect about how it was kind of inspired by the Cold War era. I was once interested in it but now every time I see people who follow the cyberpunk lifestyle TO AN EXTREAM it just seems kind of sad like a 50's schoolboy cowering under a wooden desk in fear from an atom bomb. although in moderation it can be fun. sometimes one feels the need to make a cyborg foil costume and wear thrift store leather pants in the hilarity of one's own home.
if I can go off on a tangent here: The culture that came out of the Cold War is completely fascinating to me. I mean we are talking about a time when our ability as humans to create and to shape the world around us got ahead of us, and everybody lived in just abject terror of where technology and human society was going. Everybody "knew" that we were all going to die, but with everything we did in reaction to our impending doom, we consciously brought it closer and made it worse. It's one of the most catastrophic failings of human nature, and as such it is fascinating to me. We are lucky as shit that the arms race effectively brought about the Information Age and the Information Age effectively collapsed the power structures that were about to kill everybody.
Then you got 1980s Cold War movies, which were about how awful the future is going to be be, and cyberpunk sort of arose from those. So I think it's natural that it seems kind of sad.
I still totally want to make a sort of satirical-but-not-farcical movie in the style of 80s Cold War films, because I think some of the themes and mindsets there would be really interesting to play around with. Also I want to come up with fake terrifying defense projects and stencil Cyrillic on stuff.
Yeah basically. Liking neat stuff because you like it is totally right on. Turning something you like into a way of life is pretty retarded and is when I unsubscribe from the newsletter. Evangelizing said way of life obnoxiously is when I put that newsletter on a blacklist.
This is true for genres of literature, subcultures, """""artistic""""" """""movements""""" and the like. Also religion and punk rock music.
I agree with almost everything you said about Boing Boing. But I did enjoy a number of his short stories. I have a bit of a Canada fetish, so they were nice in that regard. And some of them are just plain not that bad!
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Date: 2008-12-21 02:10 pm (UTC)cory doctorow is the worst because he is like STEAMPUNK SHITSTEAMPUNK SHITAWWWWWFUL FUCKING OVER-EARNEST SELF-CONSCIOUS "SOCIAL COMMENTARY" NOVELLA THAT I WROTESTEAMPUNK SHITBUILD YOUR OWN IPHONE OUT OF THINKGEEK T-SHIRTSSTEAMPUNK 2.0 CROWDSOURCING MASHUPS? COUNTERCULTURE REVOLUTIONARY SAYS "YES"PLUGGING THAT "BOOK" I WROTE AGAINSHIT WITH BLUE LEDS IN IT BUILT BY CHILD LABORERS, ONLY $800HAVE YOU READ MY BOOK YET
also he is at the forefront of crafting the blithely ignorant, self-contradicting, and intellectually dishonest set of ideals that 90% of the "geek" cult-of-personality crowd subscribes to
i hate it when cory doctorow gets interested in something i like (e.g. cryptography) because it is exactly like watching a child's earnest, comically faulty and exaggerated imitation of observed adult behavior, but he's a grown-ass man who communicates like a precocious child so it's extremely irritating. and now half of the "[x thing that cory doctorow started blithering unintelligently about] community" is full of poseurs who are earnestly imitating HIM. it is like fashion but with pseudointellectualism instead of personal appearance
the single worst guy
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Date: 2008-12-21 02:19 pm (UTC)cory doctorow is XKCD: The Person Based on the Hit Comic
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Date: 2008-12-21 08:04 pm (UTC)Actually the worst part of the name is Poesy
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Date: 2008-12-21 11:55 pm (UTC)even before he wrote that every fifth post was about disney's haunted mansion
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Date: 2008-12-21 11:11 pm (UTC)Ick, hope I'm not picking this shit up by cultural osmosis or something.
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Date: 2008-12-22 03:11 am (UTC)also cory doctorow is liberal in exactly the wrong ways
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Date: 2008-12-22 06:00 am (UTC)Who the fuck thinks buying an iPhone is subversive, really? It's a nice gadget and pretty much my favourite PDA ever*. But seriously, it's a mass consumer item made by a control freak company.
*Although I have an iPod Touch because the phone bit is so not worth another $1800 in TCO.
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Date: 2008-12-22 06:08 am (UTC)Unfortunately, Cory Doctorow buys into the fantasy he's been sold so much that he just can't shut up about how edgy he is for buying basically the hottest Christmas item of the year.
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Date: 2008-12-22 07:46 am (UTC)When MS pull a dick move, people get out the torches and pitchforks. When Apple pulls a dick move, people like Cory are falling over themselves to rationalise it as Steve Jobs latest stab at genius. And the press certainly aren't going to hold them accountable, as Apple are a perennial media darling.
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Date: 2008-12-22 04:49 am (UTC)(Also, now you've got me curious. What ARE the ignorant self-contradicting intellectually dishonest set of ideals that the said crowd subscribes to?)
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Date: 2008-12-22 03:14 am (UTC)I should take advantage of the licensing terms of his writings to write MST3K-style critiques of them. i hear this one time someone did something like that and he immediately changed his tune and tried to force them to take it down
unfortunately there is no "unless they're being totally mean" in the text of the creative commons license
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Date: 2008-12-22 04:46 am (UTC)Now, let me give context here. I don't read his blog (and that sounds like that's a good thing, from these comments). I only read two novels of his -- Eastern Standard Tribe, and Someone Comes Town etc.
EST was merely ok. Utterly forgettable plot-wise and writing-wise, but it had some interesting concepts, so, ok. Someone Comes To Town, however.. this one surprised me. I liked it a lot, and I keep thinking about it (it's been a month or two since I finished it), often. It affected me.
What's even stranger, is that I raved to
So, I don't know. It might have been atypical of him, that one. I'm still going to read Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom, again, for the concept.
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Date: 2008-12-22 05:35 am (UTC).........I like steampunk :(
IS IT BAD TO WANT TO BE A ZEPPELIN AND FLY AROUND INSIDE OF DUSTY VICTROLAS ALL DAY? IS IT?
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Date: 2008-12-22 05:53 am (UTC)but then you get the people who talk about it all. the. time. which is what cory doctorow does. it's not that it's steampunk, it's that he doesn't know when to clam up about it.
what's terrible, though, the people who take steampunk too far and turn it into a whole philosophy of life i.e. "hey colonialist/Victorian social mores were cool and NOT HORRIBLE AT ALL! let's bring them back. libertarianism and gilded-age labor practices for all"
steampunk isn't really special/worse in this regard, though — every subculture has a lot of people in it who take it way too seriously
it is kind of like cyberpunk, which emerged from the cold war and was originally "supposed" to be like a caricature of a terrible dystopian dehumanized future, but then people decided that this dystopian future would be a pretty rad place to live
zeppelins are awesome, and, to paraphrase something i read recently, are an important part of any respectable alternate universe
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Date: 2008-12-22 06:11 am (UTC)"hey colonialist/Victorian social mores were cool and NOT HORRIBLE AT ALL!"
that's just fucking scary. Because, you know, I'd rather not wear a chastity belt and live in a culture where it's okay for your dad to marry you off at age eight to old Mr. Tilwinnikerson the sadistic horse breeder.
zeppelins are awesome, and, to paraphrase something i read recently, are an important part of any respectable alternate universe
TEEHEE
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Date: 2008-12-22 06:15 am (UTC)also fuck you for making me picture a steampunk chastity belt GOD DAMMIT
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Date: 2008-12-22 06:37 am (UTC)if I can go off on a tangent here: The culture that came out of the Cold War is completely fascinating to me. I mean we are talking about a time when our ability as humans to create and to shape the world around us got ahead of us, and everybody lived in just abject terror of where technology and human society was going. Everybody "knew" that we were all going to die, but with everything we did in reaction to our impending doom, we consciously brought it closer and made it worse. It's one of the most catastrophic failings of human nature, and as such it is fascinating to me. We are lucky as shit that the arms race effectively brought about the Information Age and the Information Age effectively collapsed the power structures that were about to kill everybody.
Then you got 1980s Cold War movies, which were about how awful the future is going to be be, and cyberpunk sort of arose from those. So I think it's natural that it seems kind of sad.
I still totally want to make a sort of satirical-but-not-farcical movie in the style of 80s Cold War films, because I think some of the themes and mindsets there would be really interesting to play around with. Also I want to come up with fake terrifying defense projects and stencil Cyrillic on stuff.
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Date: 2009-03-01 09:34 pm (UTC)This is true for genres of literature, subcultures, """""artistic""""" """""movements""""" and the like. Also religion and punk rock music.
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